PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

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PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by zack4mac » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:57 am

I was watching Dan Wood and he mentioned options for Amiga operating systems on the Mac mini and x86, is there something similar for the Atari ST that runs directly on alternative hardware.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by stephen_usher » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:09 pm

There could only be emulators or virtual machines as the processors are different.

No-one has built a virtual machine system for the Atari ST series as far as I'm aware. It would have to be an emulator which passed all VDI calls to an operating system specific shim to display on the native display. Only VDI compatible GEM applications could work as other than an emulated screen there would be no other way to display the output.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by PaulJ » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:22 pm

I believe I saw a video about a simulated atari st running on an raspberry pi on you tube.

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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by stephen_usher » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:51 pm

PaulJ wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:22 pm
I believe I saw a video about a simulated atari st running on an raspberry pi on you tube.
There are plenty of emulators which will run under Linux.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by PaulJ » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm

stephen_usher wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:51 pm
PaulJ wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:22 pm
I believe I saw a video about a simulated atari st running on an raspberry pi on you tube.
There are plenty of emulators which will run under Linux.
There are plenty of emulators that run under all os's. Hatari is a good example that runs on a mac, linux etc. Whats your point? There are lots of emulators that run under most major os's. :?: :?: :?:

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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by stephen_usher » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:49 pm

PaulJ wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm
stephen_usher wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:51 pm


There are plenty of emulators which will run under Linux.
There are plenty of emulators that run under all os's. Hatari is a good example that runs on a mac, linux etc. Whats your point? There are lots of emulators that run under most major os's. :?: :?: :?:
My point was that it's not a "runtime compatible OS" for the Raspberry Pi, as the OP asked for. It's a program which pretends to be an ST/TT/Falcon at the hardware level. That's a very important difference.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by PaulJ » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:55 pm

stephen_usher wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:49 pm
PaulJ wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:23 pm


There are plenty of emulators that run under all os's. Hatari is a good example that runs on a mac, linux etc. Whats your point? There are lots of emulators that run under most major os's. :?: :?: :?:
My point was that it's not a "runtime compatible OS" for the Raspberry Pi, as the OP asked for. It's a program which pretends to be an ST/TT/Falcon at the hardware level. That's a very important difference.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by Steve » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:48 am

Aranym? MagicX?
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by stephen_usher » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:13 am

Steve wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:48 am
Aranym? MagicX?
Aranym is the closest to what the OP is asking for as it adds host accelerated VDI. However, it's not able to directly access the host filesystem seemlessly (it requires MiNT to be running with a loadable module or a BetaDOS driver).

I think what the OP was envisioning was being able to run a TOS or GEM executable in the same manner as a native executable with the Atari application seeing the native filesystem in the same way as a native application would. This would require spinning up a virtual machine, presenting a virtual filesystem within it with direct access to the host filesystem and then starting the application from the user's current location.
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Re: PPC or x86 TOS 68000 run time compatible OS

Post by Cyprian » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:57 am

zack4mac wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:57 am
I was watching Dan Wood and he mentioned options for Amiga operating systems on the Mac mini and x86, is there something similar for the Atari ST that runs directly on alternative hardware.
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