Costs of running a forum like Exxos is running here

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Costs of running a forum like Exxos is running here

Post by zack4mac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:41 am

I see hell of a lot of you tube ads for "free" web hosting and the technical stuff on the back end is explained quite well by the likes of Eli the computer guy, but what does it all cost? I have explained to my better half that Exxos uses his raspberry pi powered by his pet hamster Harry ;) but my missus wants to know how much food the hamster eats and what happens when he goes to sleep? but apart from the cost of the hamster food what is the outlay and annual cost involved?
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Re: Costs of running a forum like Exxos is running here

Post by DrF » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:50 am

No idea about here, but my hosting package I use for my work, I have loads of resources left over that I have basically paid for far beyond what I am using so to fill up the space and get some value back I do other things with it, host other sites, images, blogs, random projects, web space whatever :)

To be fair the cost has gone up alot in the last 5 years and if I broke it down i think im paying about £12 a month, luckily there's a blog running that pays about 50% to 60% of the hosting bill every year so that is pretty awesome and I leave it doing its thing. I also don't smoke, drink, "other substances" or go out so its like my 1 big outlay :)

Now about hamsters no idea, I have had 2 dead mice this year appear though.
Now plants are expensive to keep let me tell you the hidden costs :lol:

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Post by exxos » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:58 am

Freehosts, avoid them. Nothing but trouble.

Paid for hosts, avoid them, nothing but trouble.

"rent" your own server like I do with a reputable company and setup yourself and do whatever you want for free. Cost for a "blank" server isn't that much, maybe $50 a year. But I don't have unlimited space etc. I have a 40GB SSD for speed. You can get slower drives with more space, but I would rather have quality over quantity.. Of course if I want more CPU/SPACE the cost doubles each time. Its why I moan a bit about people uploading 5MB+ images as it takes up a lot of space for stuff which may only get viewed for a week. A chunk of space is used for backups, some stuff is zipped them sent to the backup host. So that 40GB turns into 20GB "active" space (but its a bit more complicated than that). Everything on my server takes up around 15GB.. So not much wiggle room at the moment. But I have no objections to buying more space, when its actually needed.

There are some good webhosts which do do unlimited stuff, but your limited to the "package" they sell you.. and "addons" cost! Like my old host wouldn't give me a second domain name in my package, they wanted to charge me £100 for it! I told um to fek off and setup my own server. I can now add unlimited domains for free.

The bulk of the cost is simply time. I know nothing about linux stuff, took me ages to work out how to setup a mail sever and setup payment systems etc. I also programmed my whole store by myself. Of course if you paid someone, it would be a LOT. There are free webshops, but I wanted a system in place which was all automated to save me sending out emails and updating stock quantities manually etc.

Harry gets grumpy if he doesn't get fed. All the software I use is free.. Backup options can cost a fair bit, though there are a couple of kind people here which offer me free backup space on a raid array. So my whole server gets backed up every hour (bit more complicated than that but you get the idea).

So "cost" really depends on what you ultimately want to do..
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Post by sety » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:25 pm

Ideally the best way is to have a reliable Internet link and enough power to keep your host connected 24/7. Request a static IP from your ISP and make it dedicated to that machine, ideally *nix. Set up BIND, and request that your domain provider gives you authority over your own FQDN. They will try to talk you out of it, but they're required to hand it over, you own that domain!

Then you can set up your own services! The rest is just fun and learning!

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Post by exxos » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:34 pm

Yeah you can "roll your own server". I even built a tiny PC a few years ago to run Ubuntu to host my own server (for sale if anyone wants small PC!) . Though when I worked out the electric cost of running that PC each year, plus "extra" costs due to downtime or hardware failures etc it actually ended up costing more than going with a 3rd party host :roll: Plus my internet connection isn't fast or great, so going with a better package = higher costs for me as well. Overall just wan't viable for me to run my own host.. but its fine if you just want a machine to play about with (or have better services than I do to start with)
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Post by zack4mac » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:56 pm

That is great info, I had no idea about cost. I honestly thought it would cost a few grand a year. I would probably have trouble getting a static IP with my ISP at £22.50 a month, I would probably try Demon and what you said about free is most definite, if you dont buy the product you are the product!
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Post by exxos » Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:05 pm

zack4mac wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:56 pm
I would probably try Demon
oh hell no, do not go with them! When I canceled my package, they signed me up with THREE very expensive packages and then got a debt collection agency (which I swear they run themselves!) to get the money out of me when I refused to pay it!! I had like 40 printed A4 pages of proof I was in the right, and they coincidentally sent me a letter saying "its all sorted" the day after I replied to their own debt collection agency to open up a counterclaim for harassment. This had been ongoing for months!

I wasn't the first either, as a letter got wrongly posted through my door around the same time (same debt collection agency). I honestly think demon "run" a fake agency to harass members. No way to run a company. They should be shut down for conduct like that.
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Post by DrF » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:29 pm

Demon still about?
Not heard of them since early dial up days, I had a account for dial up on some offer and I remember the hell getting that cancelled, refusing to take the last payments and then slap on fees they did that a few times :lol:

There is always the VPS route a kind of middle between running a server at home and doing everything yourself and a full rent server box somewhere I guess. Loads to choose from for a few £, I guess the super low end ones would be perfect for running a single service on or a load of web pages. I think it prob. cheaper than buying the hardware and paying the electric bill at home too to just get a VPS.

https://lowendbox.com/

https://lowendstock.com/

Used these a few times :

https://i-83.net/

There was another site called 32Mb Club which was 32mb servers seems to have gone, would have been very hard to use anyway so much configuring :lol:

As always your trading human time for $/£.

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Post by exxos » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:47 pm

https://demon.net

Looks like they gone bust. Shame.. Not. The company I used to work for used demon, they were the go to company at the time for company broadband. Same with pipex , they were good until I think tiscali brought them out and it went downhill fast.

Problem with cheap vps etc is the support. I know we had long chats about all this a couple years back. I went with ramnode as they reply to emails in like 10mins. Anytime there is a problem they are right on the case without having to email them, they have live status pages and download speeds are not to bad. For a cheap host I think they do really well. Even services twice the price wasn't half as good. They are not perfect , but of or a low cost package its really good.

There were general hosts like datapacket who did unlimited everything cheap but I wanted full control over my server and didn't want to mess about configuring stuff by a 3rd party all the time.
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Post by DrF » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Pipex and Tiscali I had both of them :lol:
Pipex was a big name that went to crap in the broadband coming in ere :(

Yep cheap o VPS your on own, like cheap anything then, then again your kind of on your own running it out your bedroom your still be reading forums full of abuse for support :lol:

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