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Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:24 am
by exxos
What annoys me is how they insinuate they are the original Atari with claims like "we still have the wooden design".. No you dont guys.. you didn't create the 2600 woody.



Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:10 pm
by stephen_usher
Yeah. I can't remember how many companies have bought the Atari mark over the years.

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:42 pm
by PhilC
It is still something I've supported though, having been a life long Atari fan like the rest of you.

Although it does seem to be more of a linux computer than a games console so far.

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 am
by DrF
exxos wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:24 am
they are the original Atari
That's why I clicked, who actually knows who Atari is anymore anyway?
The rights and names must have changed hands a 100 times by now?

On a sort of good side its good that the name is still considered to have some value even after all this time.

PhilC wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:42 pm
Although it does seem to be more of a linux computer than a games console so far.
I think everyone goes the stick some chinese single board computer thing in a box with a emulator route now sadly :(

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:36 am
by exxos
DrF wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 am
That's why I clicked, who actually knows who Atari is anymore anyway?
The rights and names must have changed hands a 100 times by now?

On a sort of good side its good that the name is still considered to have some value even after all this time.
Yeah, I mean if I brought the name Atari, does that make me Atari corp? I think everyone hates the new Atari, but they funded the thing. I mean if people were only bothered about playing games, they could just run a emulator on their PC for free instead. Atari are running a emulator on a simple Linux machine, its nothing new, and I don't see the point. So I just hope they got something good on the software side or things. Something other than a fancy GUI to select games.

The true spirit of retro for the 2600 people is collecting the old tech and cartridges. So Atari's new console doesn't really fill any gap or use in the market IMHO. Of course lots would disagree , basically all the backers. But if that console was made by some China company instead, would it have still got the backing as Atari did ? I would think not, and Atari is just a cash cow for the directors cashing in on the brand name.so I just can't get on board with "Atari" on any level.

Of course we are building the remake board. A super ST which has more power and expansion etc, something people always wanted, and yet we are pushed to get 10 people on board with the project. I think the community is just based on the 2600 stuff than the ST ranges :(

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:22 pm
by DrF
Whole situation reminds me of something, some people do that's a bit iffy, like re-registering old dissolved company names and then trading as them, there's a name in law for it "trading on previous goodwill" some people do it on purpose to make some cash then chuck it away, move on to the next one and do it all again.

I think we going to see loads more of that, what ever happened with that Coleco console mess? same thing there.
I saw a article for a new C64 flash back thing yesterday and it said it was all in a FPGA :(

I guess if you just want to play a game its perfect though, plug and go done on the cheap.

If you want a real compatible system you gonna have a bad time :(

There's quite a few clone systems that take carts for the consoles like Sega/Nintendo I seen a N64 one announced the other day, but it seems a lot of them just happen to be a emulator on a board that just so happens to have a cart slot for loading old carts.

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:36 pm
by rubber_jonnie
Seems like everybody is at it these days, Konami has just announced this: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/0 ... fx-16_mini

Although to be fair to Konami, they did swallow up Hudson so do have the rights to the console and name.

Seems there are a lot of options for emulation out there these days, some actually use a SoC hardware copy of the console, which work with nearly all carts, and some simply suck out the cart data on power up,and then run an emulator, which isn't without it's problems.

The REREZ channel on Youtube is often doing reviews of these systems, it's worth a look.

Re: Atari to release throwback console with classic games, joystick

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:13 pm
by stephen_usher
DrF wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:22 pm
Whole situation reminds me of something, some people do that's a bit iffy, like re-registering old dissolved company names and then trading as them, there's a name in law for it "trading on previous goodwill" some people do it on purpose to make some cash then chuck it away, move on to the next one and do it all again.

I think we going to see loads more of that, what ever happened with that Coleco console mess? same thing there.
I saw a article for a new C64 flash back thing yesterday and it said it was all in a FPGA :(

I guess if you just want to play a game its perfect though, plug and go done on the cheap.

If you want a real compatible system you gonna have a bad time :(

There's quite a few clone systems that take carts for the consoles like Sega/Nintendo I seen a N64 one announced the other day, but it seems a lot of them just happen to be a emulator on a board that just so happens to have a cart slot for loading old carts.
Well, as long as the FPGA replicates the hardware completely then I'd say that it is a full reimplementation. After all original parts are either hard to come by now or don't exist.

The "Sinclair ZX Spectrum Next" is an FPGA re-implementation but done so in a manner which replicates the hardware to the point where it's timing cycle perfect. It also interfaces with the old hardware peripherals (and then adds functionality). It also has a case designed by the original Sinclair industrial designer, Rick Dickinson. So, dismissing something because it's now based upon an FPGA is largely throwing the baby out with the bath water.

However, I agree that throwing a Raspberry Pi into a case similarly styled to the original and then asking for lots of money is a swiz.