Re: Wiki thoughts..

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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by exxos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:28 am

Started a new topic on this...

I did half wonder about it the other day, but for one, I don't personally want to take on more work running a wiki. I can host it yes, but beyond that I just do not have time to update it or post anything there.

A lot of information which is really "wiki information", like upgrading power supplies or jumper linsk for ROM etc, it is mostly posted on the forum and on my website already. But I would rather try and keep information all in one place rather than start splitting it off into more places.. If that makes sense..

A lot of guides on "how to's" are on my web side, albeit a bit of a mess. I didn't want to get into having a "3rd copy" of the same information. Not saying its a bad idea.. As obviously I do not have everything on my website..

I actually think it could be a good thing (considering the AF wiki is broken and outdated info!) , but I think it may not be realistic time wise to keep on top of it, unless someone can dedicate full time into its creation and maintenance. Someone would have to maintain it, and I would want all information posted vetted that it is correct and accurate before it being added. I don't want just to copy paste dump from the old Atari wiki as it is mostly old information and goes against my current research.. But of course there is lot of information which could be copy and pasted over..

I never updated the Atari wiki as for example, if I took out the parts about the "Bad DMA" and corrected it , basically saying they are not bad, all hell would rein at my door altering those pages. People were just happy to have it saying outdated information which is incorrect.. Which is again partly why I just left the whole setup.

I guess it really depends on how much information we are talking about and what type of information.. Copying the information out to the forum might be a little harder to find than a wiki, but is going to save a enormous amount of work I think.. And I think it will be a lot easier to maintain long-term just having the forum for information.. But of course these are just my thoughts as we have to think about long-term maintenance for all this..

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:13 am
Maybe we need to move on from that wiki, it's been down for years. I've found quite a few text files and useful posts here and there, but when you need to know something it'd be good if there was a single location to check, rather than hundreds of pages of old forum posts. I often miss stuff while searching.
Trying not to drift topic here.. but I can open up a sub forum, and you can copy all information over to that sub forum which is relevant to your project if it helps ?
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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by Smonson » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:53 am

exxos wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:28 am
Trying not to drift topic here.. but I can open up a sub forum, and you can copy all information over to that sub forum which is relevant to your project if it helps ?
I'd prefer some type of wiki to be honest, but anything would be better than nothing... has anyone mirrored the content of the existing one? Or would that offend the owner of that site?

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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by exxos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:59 am

Smonson wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:53 am
I'd prefer some type of wiki to be honest, but anything would be better than nothing... has anyone mirrored the content of the existing one? Or would that offend the owner of that site?
Dal is the one who runs the show, he would have backups of it all, and it could be hosted here, but as its tied into the forum software I doubt a simple move is possible.. and would need fixing.. I never use the wiki TBH.. to much outdated info on there and isn't maintained properly. IMHO any "good" info could be copied over here, as long as the source of the information is posted, I mean its basically public domain information AFAIK.
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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by troed » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:04 am

exxos wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:59 am
Dal is the one who runs the show, he would have backups of it all, and it could be hosted here, but as its tied into the forum software I doubt a simple move is possible.. and would need fixing.. I never use the wiki TBH.. to much outdated info on there and isn't maintained properly. IMHO any "good" info could be copied over here, as long as the source of the information is posted, I mean its basically public domain information AFAIK.
All content is still there - you can view source/edit any page. It's only the actual displaying of the content that's broken.

(This also means it's "easy" to copy page by page and paste into another compatible wiki)

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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by exxos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:05 pm

I started a new thread this, please see my first post for general thoughts about this..

I don't really visit the wiki, but mostly the information hardware wise is simply outdated and incorrect.. I don't really know what is useful there or not any more...
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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by tuxie » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:31 pm

I am working since several year to build a wiki, and i will say our wiki is very well so far.

Would suggest to translate it to english and put the english text in to this wiki ?

http://wiki.newtosworld.de

Its just an offer!!!

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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by exxos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:14 pm

tuxie wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:31 pm
I am working since several year to build a wiki, and i will say our wiki is very well so far.

Would suggest to translate it to english and put the english text in to this wiki ?

http://wiki.newtosworld.de

Its just an offer!!!
Looks nice wiki :) seems to be missing a lot of stuff tho ;)
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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by tuxie » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 pm

Oh yes there is still a lot missing, but i cant do it alone, we made a lot on the past. I startet with newtosworld in the year 2007.

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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by exxos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:25 pm

tuxie wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:18 pm
Oh yes there is still a lot missing, but i cant do it alone, we made a lot on the past. I startet with newtosworld in the year 2007.
Or maybe this could be used for what people are talking about on here then.. ? I don't think there is a need for me to create another wiki.. Unless absolutely everybody thinks that is the way to go.. But obviously as there is a wiki already established and being maintained and worked on.. It would make more sense to support an update that wiki in my opinion..

The only slight problem here I suppose is the language issue as the main Atari wiki is obviously English, and people here are talking about copying English information over.. Would that cause issues your wiki if you started mixing content like this ?
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Re: Wiki thoughts..

Post by IngoQ » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:30 pm

tuxie wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:31 pm
I am working since several year to build a wiki, and i will say our wiki is very well so far.
Would suggest to translate it to english and put the english text in to this wiki ?
Looks nice, but there is a lot of technical infos missing, as exxos said.

Language will be an issue. Mixed language will confuse people so having it translated to english could be a first step. Would mean a probably bigger user base for you as well, in case you would want to go that route.

If so, I could help in translating, if you want.
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