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Joystick cloning

Post by exxos » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:23 pm

I did re-create the 2600 joystick PCB few years ago until I found companies were making the whole joystick anyway. Problem for me is they hurt my fingers as they are stiff.. So the one I tend to use is the "bug" joystick, smaller, and very light on action.

I was wondering if such a thing is manufactured today, and if not, if someone is interested in cloning the plastics, I can create the electronics inside..
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by Neffers » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:03 pm

Still towing to type, so here's a quick suggestion, take the rubber off of the handle leaving the inner grey hollow pole. If that's still too stiff then new mech design. If it's much easier, consider a remoulding for the outer rubber "handle bit". Never liked the 2600 sticks at all.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by DrF » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:06 pm

Neffers wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:03 pm
Never liked the 2600 sticks at all.

Me too, I found them a bit dead/flat in the feel and I had brand new ones back in the day. I took some apart a few years back I don't know if theres different models or something but I noticed some had springs and others a kind of plastic push down thing.

I used arcade parts and a PS1 pad a few years back to make a joystick for my boy worked well, bit big mind.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by Neffers » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:12 pm

There was no difference to the one you got with the 6 switcher and the ST one, barring plastics. Metal domed switches with a grey "actuator" (used in the loosest terms) and a horrid rubber gator you'd find on a UVJ on a cars' steering for a handle fitted like a sleeve. Terrible.

I have a few sticks, but, meh, Megadrive Pads (3 button). So much nicer, not the best, but nicer.

Edit. Cruiser was my fav, decent grip area, switched and the suckers still work to this day for desk mounting.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by rubber_jonnie » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:23 pm

What about cloning these?
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They are quite small, and could probably be easily replicated by 3d printing, and the internal PCBs are simple enough to replicate too.
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The difficult part might be the rubber hats, but it might be feasible to replace with small tac switches instead.

They're OK little pads.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by exxos » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:44 pm

rubber_jonnie wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:23 pm
What about cloning these?
The difficult part might be the rubber hats, but it might be feasible to replace with small tac switches instead.
Possible I guess..

Can get the metal "domes" easy enough, I planned to use them in my initial designs. Though a actual joystick like the bug I think actually uses switches.. really need to break one apart at some point and look how its put together.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by Neffers » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:20 pm

It's not the best design, as you shall find.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by exxos » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:31 pm

Neffers wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:20 pm
It's not the best design, as you shall find.
Likely won't be, but it can be improved ;)
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by rubber_jonnie » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:58 am

exxos wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:44 pm

Possible I guess..

Can get the metal "domes" easy enough, I planned to use them in my initial designs. Though a actual joystick like the bug I think actually uses switches.. really need to break one apart at some point and look how its put together.
Yeah, the bug uses microswitches, as did a number of joysticks around the time. I was forever breaking the cheaper ones and until microswitch joysticks arrived, with metal shafts, it got quite expensive.

Aside from the Competition Pro which I still have, a favourite was a Suncom Tac 2, which instead of any form of switch package, just used metal contacts that shorted against the metal shaft of the stick. It really was a simple design, and very reliable, and served me well.
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Re: Joystick cloning

Post by exxos » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:14 am

rubber_jonnie wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:58 am
Yeah, the bug uses microswitches, as did a number of joysticks around the time. I was forever breaking the cheaper ones and until microswitch joysticks arrived, with metal shafts, it got quite expensive.

Aside from the Competition Pro which I still have, a favourite was a Suncom Tac 2, which instead of any form of switch package, just used metal contacts that shorted against the metal shaft of the stick. It really was a simple design, and very reliable, and served me well.
I think the only switches I remember seeing, on the metal dome ones like in the classic 2600 joystick.. And the microswitches which I think were in the stigma ray joystick, where I think there was a spring on top which the joysticks have pressed down.. What I remember there was always prone to breaking. I cannot say I have seen any other switches, but generally I haven't taken many to bits over the years :)
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