Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by sandord » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:41 pm

exxos wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:16 pm
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That's the first picture...
ah ok...

have you measured the power rails on each chip to see if anything spiky there ?

Also, hold down the reset button (it will stop the machine from running) so that would be interesting to test...
I'm sorry, I can't do any more measuring anymore any time soon. I have a lot of stuff to do and will be out for a long weekend. Gotta get some sleep now!

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by sandord » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:58 pm

I forgot about some left channel measurements I also made, they might be interesting to compare to the right channel measurements.

NOTE: these are all AFTER recap so some filtering might be missing. I can't make measurements of this setup BEFORE recap now because I don't have time.


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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by exxos » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:36 pm

It looks like the problems start right after the first op-amp ?

In that case, it would have to be getting some frequency from somewhere, looks like it starts off at about 1.3KHz, also at 15.6KHz.

I would have to assume the noise is being introduced by the power rails to the op-amp.

That wouldn't be exactly simple to fix... Really it needs its own little regulated PSU, looks like 8.2V and -5V ?! odd, but I would be tempted to lift up those 2 10R resistors....
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... and use a PP3 battery for the 8.2V (would be about that for a rechargeable one) then have another in series with a 7905 regulator to get the -5V rail.... or 3x AA batteries in series instead...

Noise can still get into the op-amps via bad grounding on the MB.. but if that ruled out some noise, then at least we have a proper starting point to what is going on...
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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by Tomswork » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:12 pm

Just a question about the -5 supply to op amp were is coming from some of those setups are antenna

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by exxos » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:12 pm

The whole PCB & parts is an antenna and the audio circuit has bad grounding in the mix. The only likely solution would be to rebuild the whole audio circuit on a new PCB and enclosed in a metal case. I suggested such but nobody is willing to build and try it :)
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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by PhilC » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:55 pm

@Tomswork i deleted your post as the photo gave away your location

Maybe post it again but edit the photo?
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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by Tomswork » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:57 pm

Thank you I did not see that I'm more than halfway to tunnel vision

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by Tomswork » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm

This little amp is small and could bi pass the problem

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by JezC » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:15 pm

exxos wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:12 pm
The only likely solution would be to rebuild the whole audio circuit on a new PCB and enclosed in a metal case. I suggested such but nobody is willing to build and try it :)
I didn't have an STE when you first posted this...things change ;)
Now I have 2 working STE's & would be interested to do this...just the two usual constraints lack of time & lack of money... :lol: :roll:

I have a colleague at work who is very into his audio & analogue designs (including audio amps) so I might manage to 'volunteer' at least some of his expertise to assist. 8-)

Anyway, probably one for the back-burner but definitely one of real interest at some point (and IIRC @exxos you mentioned possibly adding in some upgraded sound system onto a future STF platform...?)

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Re: Hissing and whistling in the STe audio output

Post by exxos » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:25 pm

JezC wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:15 pm
I have a colleague at work who is very into his audio & analogue designs (including audio amps) so I might manage to 'volunteer' at least some of his expertise to assist. 8-)
I am a audio repair and design engineer ;) , built and repaired amps for 30 years, hobby and work. I mostly did digital amps towards the end, before I got swamped with all things Atari related. I still need to finish my power amp one day :roll:
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(and IIRC @exxos you mentioned possibly adding in some upgraded sound system onto a future STF platform...?)
Yep, working on it in the background. 8 DAC channels to play protracker music without needing much CPU time..
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