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stephen_usher wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:31 pm Seeing that it's now less than 2 months until the portables exhibition in Cambridge it's time to get started testing the exhibits.

So, with that in mind I've got the Macintosh Portable on the bench and hooked it up to the bench power supply with 7.5 volts and a current limit of 1.5 amps.

Well, the Mac Portable's power management is iffy at the best of times. Without a good lead-acid battery in the bay the system can go haywire and send high voltage across the board. If you add in the flakiness of the "hybrid" "chip" which controls the voltages and you have potential disaster. Oh, and half the large chips on the motherboard aren't controlled by the power circuitry at all and are permanently powered. Never, ever try to run the machine without a working battery installed as that will damage the power circut.

Anyway, after installing the battery and using the reset and debug switch together to reset to power system I turned on the power supply. Just over 1 amp. Phew!

Powering on the machine the current went up to 1.2 amps.

As the battery charged the current decreased. Last night, after about three hours I put the machine to bed, powering off the PSU and removing the battery.

This morning I decided to continue charging the battery. After putting the battery in, resetting and powering on the PSU... 0.008 amps. Boot the machine... 0.008A... Battery starts running down. Shut down... 0.008A... Press the reset & debug buttons and whilst they're pressed, over an amp but back down to 0.008A. Went away and came back... up to 0.5A. As I said, the power management on this machine is rubbish.

Anyway, the lowest current after the battery, I assume, is fully charged is about 0.25A which doubles when the machine is booted.

Switch off the PSU and let the machine run on battery for ~5 mins and the battery decreases by about one bar. Switch on again and the PSU goes into current limit mode for about 5 seconds before the current drops down again. I can see why Apple limited the current on the original power supply. It took a couple of minutes to get below 1A (this is with the machine shut down). Getting back to full charge again took a good half an hour.
Wow, that seems like an awfully poor power management system, you've got a lot of trouble on your hands there!!!
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:25 pm Wow, that seems like an awfully poor power management system, you've got a lot of trouble on your hands there!!!
It is, which is why the next iteration, the PowerBook 100, was redesigned by Sony. It's a shrunken Portable with the power control circuitry completely replaced and NiMH battery instead of the lead-acid.

Anyway, I've found an adjustable buck converter with current limiter for a few pounds which I can use as a basis for a power supply, along with a small panel mount ammeter. It'll just need a barrel jack socket, diode, cable and a box, and maybe a switch. I can then use a 9V or 12V unregulated supply as the input and have regulated 7.5V output with a 1.5 amp limit. Far safer.
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Looks like both the TexElec foil+foam pads and the adjustable buck converter will be arriving next week.

However, I'll be down in Cornwall next week to deal with work on my Dad's house.
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stephen_usher wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:56 am Looks like both the TexElec foil+foam pads and the adjustable buck converter will be arriving next week.

However, I'll be down in Cornwall next week to deal with work on my Dad's house.
Hope that all goes smoothly for you, It's a difficult thing sorting out and selling a property at a distance.
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Yeah. I'm trying to get maintenance done by contractors, so need to see them to get quotes etc.

It's all external so I should need to be there when they do the work.
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Well, I couldn't get any contractors to turn up next week, they all seem to be going on holiday, so I've cancelled my trip and my leave. There's no point taking time off if I need to use it later in the year.

Still, it means that I'll be around for the deliveries.
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stephen_usher wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:53 am Well, I couldn't get any contractors to turn up next week, they all seem to be going on holiday, so I've cancelled my trip and my leave. There's no point taking time off if I need to use it later in the year.

Still, it means that I'll be around for the deliveries.
That's a bit of a pain to say the least.

Finger crossed your deliveries will all turn up 😁
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Yeah. The TexElec pads are in the UK now so are stuck in customs purgatory for the next few days.
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Looks like the pads are at the local Royal Mail delivery office.
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stephen_usher wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:29 am Looks like the pads are at the local Royal Mail delivery office.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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