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Re: STFM case remake

Post by exxos » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:29 am

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Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:18 am
I'm assuming that £450 is because of all the design work/labour hours and stuff thats going into it?
Thats just the printing cost of that one case, getting the 3D files done cost a bomb as well! So this project is well into 4 figures now!
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Fragile? because of the design or the materials what solution have they come up with to that?
Its just the design of the case itself, the vents only have a few mm each end holding them in place. I think they put supports running across the case as well.. Though a re-design of the "vents" is likely needed anyway.

It may be better to have more of a solid top, with lots of holes, and just the slanted vents to keep the appearance of the original case.
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Re: STFM case remake

Post by DrF » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:59 pm

It may be better to have more of a solid top, with lots of holes, and just the slanted vents to keep the appearance of the original case.
I thought that would have been easier might have stopped all the bits of crisps and stuff getting in too, might have just been me that :lol:
Still cant you stuff a panel under it? even one of those foil backed card like things that seemed to be put into whatever 80's device and pretend it was a RF shield.
Thats just the printing cost of that one case, getting the 3D files done cost a bomb as well! So this project is well into 4 figures now!
I don't feel well :shock:
What's the end price looking like so far? I'm assuming a a few 1000 would drive it down, then quality does not come cheap.

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Re: STFM case remake

Post by exxos » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:27 pm

DrF wrote:
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I don't feel well :shock:
What's the end price looking like so far? I'm assuming a a few 1000 would drive it down, then quality does not come cheap.
Injection stuff is like £20 a case, but it cost like £50,000 to get the mold done.. was some info about it all earlier in the thread... even so, I might get a better deal with printing, but still being around £400 a case.. nobody is going to pay that.. I doubt I will get a second prototype even made.. just better things to invest in..
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Re: STFM case remake

Post by DrF » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:47 pm

exxos wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:27 pm
DrF wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:59 pm
I don't feel well :shock:
What's the end price looking like so far? I'm assuming a a few 1000 would drive it down, then quality does not come cheap.
Injection stuff is like £20 a case, but it cost like £50,000 to get the mold done.. was some info about it all earlier in the thread... even so, I might get a better deal with printing, but still being around £400 a case.. nobody is going to pay that.. I doubt I will get a second prototype even made.. just better things to invest in..
Yeah I seen that bit, so much info in here i'm getting lost. I don't think people expected the costs to go so far out of control.
I think the Amiga/C64 case remakes got away with it because they somehow got the orig. molds so instant £50K saving right there then.

Has no one mentioned a KickStarter etc.? I cant find no mention of it?

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Re: STFM case remake

Post by exxos » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:01 pm

DrF wrote:
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Has no one mentioned a KickStarter etc.? I cant find no mention of it?
Its been talked about before a fair bit.. first problem, STFM / STE case, cant do more than 1 (a good thing about 3D printing). It it gets f**ked up then goodbye £50,000+... most would want some sort of "reward" for investing on kickstarter.. then the price would have to be even higher to give them that reward.

Even so, even if it went ahead, its a massive outlay even after the mold is done.. I mean, shipping 500 cases overseas.. how much does it cost to rent a shipping boat these days ? plus where to store them all... need to bulk buy strong shipping boxes.. where to store all those as well..

So I think bottom line figure is still going to be expensive per case even if injection molding was done..
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Re: STFM case remake

Post by alexh » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:00 pm

I'm surprised no-one has discussed looking for the original Atari Injection molds.

The original Atari Jaguar injection molds were bought when Atari closed by a dental camera company who re-used the molds to make cases for Dental xray equipment which looked like Atari Jaguars :)

An enthusiast eventually bought them from the Dental company and has been producing (limited numbers) of Atari Jaguar console and cartridge shells.

In 2015 they said they were going to produce a Retr0computer but nothing happened.

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Re: STFM case remake

Post by exxos » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:44 pm

I would have no idea where to start looking for them. Everyone just assumes they are lost. Or if someone has them, they are keeping quiet or just not interested. Trying to find anything Atari related seems a uphill battle :(
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Re: STFM case remake

Post by DrF » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:32 pm

Stumbled across this the other day :



They went the injection mold route.

I also found out there's a re-release of the A1500 add on case thing from way back :



PS: Yes I know there Amigas but still something might be learnt from their quest to obtain cases.

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Re: STFM case remake

Post by exxos » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:41 pm

Yeah theres talk on FB about it...

Just forever having the same conversations over and over.. its just not doable to keep costs something sensible.. If I had £200,000+ lay around I would buy my own house nevermind a injection mould!

Amiga guys found the moulds, they had a huge advantage to start with!

If I ever get my 3D printed case and the quality is good enough, sure I can produce new cases.. be around £600 + shipping each!
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Re: STFM case remake

Post by DrF » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:07 pm

I think they found A1200 molds this time they have to make them?
I think the Commodore 64 people found there molds too.

Look at their bill $155K :(
There making molds for the key caps too, guess that makes sense in a way.

There mentioning the molds are tons so i'm not hopeful someones being carting about ST molds for 20+ odd years that weigh more than a car :(

Where would you even start to look for such things?
Email anyone who is still alive who was with Atari at the end and see if they knew where all the stuff went?
Probably auctioned off to whoever, so find the liquidators maybe they have a record assuming there still in business, serious long shots.

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