4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by DrF » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:45 am

I don't remember seeing a lot of accelerator cards for the ST in magazines or anywhere else. The most professional uses I ever saw a ST do back then was CuBase and TimeWorks DTP the popular setup was either 2mb or 2.5mb ram upgrade with a external disk drive and sometimes a MegaFile hard drive thing that was about it.

I saw a ST hooked up to a laser printer once with some art package and was amazed, it printed a mono dotty clip art picture of a pig mind blowing at the time for me anyhow, it was so fast, it was in a office full of Apple Mac something or others and I remember there being some argument over 8Mb ram upgrades for them :lol:

On the other side Amiga magazines were always rammed full of adverts for accelerator cards with mind blowing expensive prices and I don't recall anyone ever having one either just again more ram and disk drive.

I think the professional market was just lost out on.

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by KyleB » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:10 pm

Certainly for A1200 accelerators are all over the place. But remember in the times these machines were current (85-92) an 8 or 14Mhz processor really was enough, even if it wasn't impressive. Even at the end you were spending over £1000 for a monochrome 68000 mac.

So where you see accelerators pop up is mostly where people hung on after the supply of new machines dried out. That trends heavily to Amiga because there was a lot of second generation machines out there, whereas most atari people never saw a falcon.

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by DrF » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:48 pm

KyleB wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:10 pm
Certainly for A1200 accelerators are all over the place. But remember in the times these machines were current (85-92) an 8 or 14Mhz processor really was enough, even if it wasn't impressive. Even at the end you were spending over £1000 for a monochrome 68000 mac.

So where you see accelerators pop up is mostly where people hung on after the supply of new machines dried out. That trends heavily to Amiga because there was a lot of second generation machines out there, whereas most atari people never saw a falcon.
I agree with that, that's how I saw it, at the end point 1995/96 the writing really was on the wall PC's were falling in price rapidly and the ST/Amiga were being left behind even with mega money in upgrades a top end 386 low end 486 was starting to leave everything else behind in performance.

I had a choice a A1200 or a Pentium 200, I went with the Pentium and kept my A500+ at that point there was no point going A500 to A1200 it was over, I looked at accelerators, hard drives, cdrom, modem and the PC was a better financial offer. Also Amiga magazines were disappearing from shops and games sections in shops were shrinking fast.

ST/Amigas I think had a catch 22 situation there's no software/nothing to use the accelerators so why buy them?
There's no accelerators so why write software to use them if no one has them?

I think I got what I said, it be like that cause it do :lol:

Adding onto that unless it was some super special app that needed special hardware like the video toaster, everything was made for the lowest machine in the range, cant lose out on sales off the huge masses off low end machines floating about (STFM/A500)

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by arf » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:07 pm

DrF wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:45 am
I don't remember seeing a lot of accelerator cards for the ST in magazines or anywhere else.[…]

I think the professional market was just lost out on.
For the MegaST there were plenty of accelerators advertised in ST magazines in Germany. The AdSpeed, the Hypercache, the GE, ... most of ’em 68000/16 with 16-32 KB Cache, some with empty socket for a 68881. But there’s been the Maxon 68020 booster, later the Hyper030. Plenty of options (I couldn’t afford back then).

Mostly programmers and DTP guys bought it. Musicians not so much, from my experience.
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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by KyleB » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:57 am

DrF wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:48 pm
I agree with that, that's how I saw it, at the end point 1995/96 the writing really was on the wall PC's were falling in price rapidly and the ST/Amiga were being left behind even with mega money in upgrades a top end 386 low end 486 was starting to leave everything else behind in performance.

I had a choice a A1200 or a Pentium 200, I went with the Pentium and kept my A500+ at that point there was no point going A500 to A1200 it was over, I looked at accelerators, hard drives, cdrom, modem and the PC was a better financial offer. Also Amiga magazines were disappearing from shops and games sections in shops were shrinking fast.

ST/Amigas I think had a catch 22 situation there's no software/nothing to use the accelerators so why buy them?
There's no accelerators so why write software to use them if no one has them?

I think I got what I said, it be like that cause it do :lol:

Adding onto that unless it was some super special app that needed special hardware like the video toaster, everything was made for the lowest machine in the range, cant lose out on sales off the huge masses off low end machines floating about (STFM/A500)
I don't know about that, definitely for productivity software the amiga market did move over to the bigger and better machines, Workbench 2.0 broke the back of the ones with bad habits, and anything after that just works. Until old chickenlips went under the game developers were moving over to AGA too, there's a lot of 1200s out there and people forget the CD32 was a genuine success in the little time it had.

But when you get to 1995, then it just hammers home that the old business of having one computer model last for a 5-10 year life cycle was truly, truly dead. It's a shame to be honest, really wasteful, but it was the industry's growth spurt.

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by Petari » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:31 am

I'm sure that one of main, if not exactly the main reason for much less accelerators for Atari ST , STE than for Amiga was the lack of universal expansion port on them. It just made such upgrades complicated, basically most of users needed to send/bring Atari to specialist who could perform it. Instead simple attaching of expansion card.
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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by calimero » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:42 pm

DrF wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:45 am
I don't remember seeing a lot of accelerator cards for the ST in magazines or anywhere else. The most professional uses I ever saw a ST do back then was CuBase and TimeWorks DTP the popular setup was either 2mb or 2.5mb ram upgrade with a external disk drive and sometimes a MegaFile hard drive thing that was about it.

I think the professional market was just lost out on.
From which country you are?
ST was used by many professionals, there were lot of software for any kind of professional work.
Beside, some most important software of today starts its life on non-PC platforms so Atari, Amiga and Mac played important role in accelerating software progress. Only when PC got ussable Windows GUI, only then software was ported to it.
I have thread on atari-forum with list of programs but I have plans to move it to my website...
Anyway, ST was far more professional then PC back in 80s thanks to great software.
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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by DrF » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:54 am

calimero wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:42 pm
From which country you are?
ST was used by many professionals, there were lot of software for any kind of professional work.
Beside, some most important software of today starts its life on non-PC platforms so Atari, Amiga and Mac played important role in accelerating software progress. Only when PC got ussable Windows GUI, only then software was ported to it.
I have thread on atari-forum with list of programs but I have plans to move it to my website...
Anyway, ST was far more professional then PC back in 80s thanks to great software.
UK sadly :lol:
I used to do alot of art stuff on the ST/Amiga, everyone else I knew just played games, it's quite interesting that a lot of serious packages were eventually moved over to PC I guess marketing and the future.

I used to love TimeWorks and Neochrome was usefull too on the ST, I used PageSetter, PenPal, ComicSetter and DeluxePaint on the Amiga and i have no idea how many public domain apps, the PC I was very unimpressed with at the time :lol:

I still remember seeing a old Mac running a laser printer, printing a clip art mono pig and thinking this is the future :lol:

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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by Petari » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:13 pm

This talk about what SW was made first for which computer, OS is really pointless in my opinion. Good SW firm, programmers will make quality SW for any platform after some time. And this "Only when PC got ussable Windows GUI, only then software was ported to it. " is complete wrong. DOS SW was big business before Windows, GEM . Better would be to stay at topic .
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Re: 4mb STFM with accelerator - was there an equivalent way back when?

Post by calimero » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:16 pm

Petari wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:13 pm
This talk about what SW was made first for which computer, OS is really pointless in my opinion. Good SW firm, programmers will make quality SW for any platform after some time. And this "Only when PC got ussable Windows GUI, only then software was ported to it. " is complete wrong. DOS SW was big business before Windows, GEM . Better would be to stay at topic .
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In my opinion It is important, very, very important.
Many programers choose Atari, Amiga or Mac over PC because they see how these systems were much more capable and better then overpriced PC.

Petari, do you know what Quantrix (Improve) is? (This question is related to your observation that for any OS programers would make great software after some time; yes, it is true: many programers did made great software for ST ;) many great programers recognized NextStep strenght and use it to make groundbreaking software...)


For me it is important to recognize that ST was not only gaming platform (I made website dedicated to applications for ST, not games) but rather breeding ground for today modern software.
If we had to wait for Microsoft and PC alone to “bring computer in every home”*, we had to wait one decade more!

*this statement is something that Bill Gates trying to “take” for himself althougt we know that Jack Tramiel bring computer to every home much much earlyer than IBM and Microsoft starts to get roots.

EDIT:
These are facts: http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22856

Everobody are welcome to draw their own conclusions ;)
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