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Post by exxos » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:51 am

I've emailed Wolfgang and asked to run Troed's closure demo...

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=66787

Any others demos which make good tests ?

I will seriously consider buying a suska to evaluate the whole thing compatibility wise..
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Post by dhedberg » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:49 pm

I emailed him as well, asking how well demos and games work with the Suska. :-)
I'll post any information I receive in this thread.
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Post by exxos » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:40 pm

dhedberg wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:49 pm
I emailed him as well, asking how well demos and games work with the Suska. :-)
I'll post any information I receive in this thread.
Awesome :)

I'm waiting for a reply.. He seems busy working on the 030 stuff..
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Post by exxos » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:04 pm

Emails back-and-forth are going really slowly..He doesn't seem to understand how disc images work. He keeps asking me to extract the files on Troed's Closure demo. I keep telling him he won't let me do this he needs to use JayMSA on the ST to write the image back to real floppy.. I told him this three times now and he keeps just asking me to send him extracted files :roll:

This kind of puts me off buying the Suska, as if I cannot explain to him even something which should be simple like disc images, then I don't really stand a chance of collaborating with him on anything more complicated :(
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Post by troed » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 pm

exxos wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:04 pm
He keeps asking me to extract the files on Troed's Closure demo. I keep telling him he won't let me do this
It's not about letting ... there are no files :P It's true old school track loading. There exists no filed debug version either, I use all memory from $200 and up so bye bye TOS after the bootsector has executed. Rewriting all the glue code for 2MB machines, while fully possible, is not on my todo ..

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Post by exxos » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:37 pm

troed wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 pm
It's not about letting ... there are no files :P It's true old school track loading. There exists no filed debug version either, I use all memory from $200 and up so bye bye TOS after the bootsector has executed. Rewriting all the glue code for 2MB machines, while fully possible, is not on my todo ..
Yeah its what I thought :) either that or some sort of voodoo wizardry. I said to wolfgang its a special disk with no FAT about a hour ago.. see if he gets it this time..

As a side note, we seem to have a few German guys about, I wonder if anyone could rush him out the demo on a real floppy ? I can of course send it from here (UK) but it would take a few days to get to him.
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Post by Stimpy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:09 pm

exxos wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:04 pm
Emails back-and-forth are going really slowly..He doesn't seem to understand how disc images work. He keeps asking me to extract the files on Troed's Closure demo. I keep telling him he won't let me do this he needs to use JayMSA on the ST to write the image back to real floppy.. I told him this three times now and he keeps just asking me to send him extracted files :roll:

This kind of puts me off buying the Suska, as if I cannot explain to him even something which should be simple like disc images, then I don't really stand a chance of collaborating with him on anything more complicated :(
I don't think anything is simple unless you've done it before? If you have never been involved in the demo scene, cracking games etc then the whole world of floppy imaging formats and programs is new. I expect most people who know of disk imaging would start with dd which is obviously never going to work with an MSA file etc

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Post by exxos » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:53 am

A small update -

Wolfgang tried the demo.. and got this.. which is to be expected...

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He seems interested in adding wakestate support to Suska.. but could be a while.

Meanwhile, I have asked him to try GB6 to see what happens...
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Post by rpineau » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:57 pm

Nice! At least now we know :)
I still think the Suska is probably the best base we have for replacing failing component and hard to find one.
Working ones : MegaSTE (68020) / TT030 / Falcon with AB040 & Eclipse / 1040STF
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Post by exxos » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:22 pm

rpineau wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:57 pm
Nice! At least now we know :)
I still think the Suska is probably the best base we have for replacing failing component and hard to find one.
Yes indeed. Its open source so we can make changes. I still want to re-create the blitter with the suska code. If it goes ok then can start on the MMU and GLUE.

I'm still not sure if to invest in the complete suska or not.
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