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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by mikro » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:14 am

sandord wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:52 pm
I'm planning to recap two Commodore 1084S-D2 and a 1084S-P1 monitors.

I've assembled part lists for both (they are quite different in internal design)
Would you mind publishing that list? :-P I'm thinking about doing the same.

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:16 am

mikro wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:14 am
Would you mind publishing that list? :-P I'm thinking about doing the same.
Which model do you have?

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by mikro » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:28 am

I have Philips CM8833-II and Atari SC1435, basically 1084S-Px clones when it comes to the PCB.

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:49 am

I selected low ESR caps as much as possible.

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Commodore 1084S-P1 recap list

PCB  Part Type  Specs            Remarks Brand/model                         Srs Ripple  Life   Shop
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Neck 2136 Elcap 200V  4.7µF  85C ->400V  United Chemi-Con EKXE401ELL4R7MJ16S KXE 225 mA  12000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/United-Chemi-Con/EKXE401ELL4R7MJ16S?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e66vF2fXFUFUKOEkjD%2fyxS3cMS4aiMqHQ%3d%3d
     2141 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
Main 2601 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2291 Elcap 16V   1000µF 85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C102L              FR  1.56 A  9000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C102L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fJqYs4ddJyTvbFsgf7RFzA%3d
     2604 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2647 Elcap 25V   4.7µF  85C         Nichicon UPW1E4R7MDD                UPW 180 mA  2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UPW1E4R7MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22UXbiauPutPBiV%2foTctGsDo%3d
     2669 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2301 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2361 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2328 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2327 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2640 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2697 Elcap 16V   47µF   85C ->25V   Panasonic EEU-FR1E470H              FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1E470H?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fPWwtj8kO8a%2fzgYRLdr2SePr5fsnSkkOQ%3d%3d
     2696 Elcap 16V   47µF   85C ->25V   Panasonic EEU-FR1E470H              FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1E470H?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fPWwtj8kO8a%2fzgYRLdr2SePr5fsnSkkOQ%3d%3d
     2272 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2274 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2268 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2573 Elcap 63V   1.5µF  85C ->100V  Nichicon UKL2A1R5KDD                UKL 23 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UKL2A1R5KDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22SMYX67SZ2TeOVgMK0G64G4%3d
     2571 Elcap 35V   680µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V681L              FR  2.47 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V681L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fJqYs4ddJyTNfazGjwDasg%3d
     2560 Elcap 35V   220µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V221               FR  950 mA  6000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V221?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1qntTD%2fFg9QQ%3d%3d
     2561 Elcap 35V   220µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V221               FR  950 mA  6000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V221?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1qntTD%2fFg9QQ%3d%3d
     2563 Elcap 50V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2269 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2266 Elcap 25V   4.7µF  85C         Nichicon UPW1E4R7MDD                UPW 180 mA  2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UPW1E4R7MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22UXbiauPutPBiV%2foTctGsDo%3d
     2512 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2515 Elcap 250V  1µF    85C         Panasonic ECA-2EM010                M   34 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2EM010?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZJeXBnf%252bMH2XDsezkoHGhc%3d
     2511 Elcap 63V   2.2µF  85C ->100V  Panasonic ECA-2AM2R2I               M   30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2AM2R2I?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfCVPOCQ2yKp8%3d
     2536 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2526 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2524 Elcap 50V   4.7µF  85C Bipolar Panasonic ECE-A1HN4R7UB             SU  30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECE-A1HN4R7UB?qs=rMMd5vBiahpkxAP40j04wA%3d%3d
     2537 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2547 Elcap 63V   2.2µF  85C ->100V  Panasonic ECA-2AM2R2I               M   30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2AM2R2I?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfCVPOCQ2yKp8%3d
     2541 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2520 Elcap 160V  10µF   85C         Panasonic ECA-2CHG100               NHG 70 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2CHG100?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22YuzYhk2RkTK9cQAJ%2f7o%252b7s%3d
     2445 Elcap 50V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2451 Elcap 200V  47µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-EE2D470               EE  1.1A    10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-EE2D470?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22dN7zJS18SGV9iCD0vMIFLk%3d
     2447 Elcap 25V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2446 Elcap 25V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2452 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2450 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2416 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2412 Elcap 400V  100µF  85C Snap-in Panasonic EEU-EE2G101               EE  2.06 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-EE2G101?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22dN7zJS18SGVb6qEf80gQAc%3d
     2422 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:52 am

sandord wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:49 am
I selected low ESR caps as much as possible.

...
Keep in mind that I haven't applied this recap yet. I did the 1084-D2 yesterday but it is totally different from the P1.

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:38 pm

This picture of the 1084-P1 mainboard may help you to easier find the parts by number.
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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by mikro » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:59 pm

Thanks mate.

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:02 pm

mikro wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:59 pm
Thanks mate.
This might help even more:

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by sandord » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:04 pm

I'm currently in the process of recapping the 1084-P1.

I've run into a little issue though, maybe someone can give me some advice here.

One of the caps I'm replacing is a bipolar 4.7uF 50V cap. The replacement cap I got in the mail is a tiiiiny bit smaller though :shock: As far as I can tell, there are no marks or writings on the original cap that suggest that the replacement wouldn't be a good fit. But the size... I'm a bit worried it'll blow up or something. Or has modern tech advanced this much?

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

Post by exxos » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:18 pm

Some caps "back in the day" were the size of coke cans, replacements like 5% of the size...

bi-polar caps though ? Wonder why... I probably would have just stuck a polyester in it instead :)
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