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Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:56 pm
by kamil.szarmach
tzok wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
There still is a reseller who gathers orders, buys your TF cards in UK and sends them to Poland, yet for most Polish people, your products are beyond financial range, so it is not a huge market.
XD what?
I paid 550zł (~120Ł) for ready to use TF536. It's a bargain for 030 A500 turbo.
terriblefire wrote:Now Polish people will need to buy from Jens or CSLabs.
I hope that your distrubutors/producers (@alenppc , @supaduper, @chucky ) will send them worldwide.
After all of this i kinda wanna try to use TF360 and TF1260 with LC060 and write some stuff for them.

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:58 pm
by JackTheKnife
terriblefire wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:44 am
kludge wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:27 am
I've been following your projects since the 520/530 days, and I'm sad to see what started as an open source line of affordable accelerators for people to learn from has now boiled down to something much less. Don't get me wrong; the technology is awesome and the accelerators are great, but for me, the great value of it was the open source side of things. I was really sad when the TF534 was the last board to be fully open sourced, but I found some comfort in that at least the TF536, TF330 and later boards at least would have freely available gerbers and jed:s, so that anyone could build them. For
Not to be pedantic but since April the TF330 was fully opened. Schematics, verilog.. everything. I'm sure someone has a fork of it on github somewhere.
Yeah - is there any fork of it? Got few board from OSVG and never thought that project will disappear from the github :(

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:08 pm
by PaulJ_2.0
JackTheKnife wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:58 pm
Yeah - is there any fork of it? Got few board from OSVG and never thought that project will disappear from the github :(
Github has a search function :)

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:11 pm
by JackTheKnife
terriblefire wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:26 am
I have thought about a few things and i have come up with a "wind down" strategy. Hopefully it will keep everyone happy.

TF360 will get produced by supaduper and alenppc only

TF1260... Chucky/AlenPPC and Supaduper will have options to sell these in built form only. They decide who to sell to.

TF536... Rev2 will be on sale via AlenPPC and Exxos until they exhaust themselves or demand then I will offer the gerbers to AmigaStore.eu to continue producing them in built form.
Sounds like a good plan to go for. At least here in the States @alenppc will keep it alive. Also I have good experience with getting stuff from Chucky, even during the covid times.

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:20 pm
by alenppc
JackTheKnife wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:11 pm

Sounds like a good plan to go for. At least here in the States @alenppc will keep it alive. Also I have good experience with getting stuff from Chucky, even during the covid times.
I am super pleased to hear this and I can assure you I will make the cheapest 060 board the world has ever seen... I will of course ship anywhere and Jens might find himself puzzled as to why there is little demand for a 500 euro 1240.

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:30 pm
by arkadiusz.makarenko
tzok wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
...yet for most Polish people, your products are beyond financial range...
That is the reason why TF decision (which I agree 100% with btw) to not to release sources might be the most painful.
Not because some people might loose on current card revisions and/or distribution, but all future spin offs based on it.

For example
TF536 is 50Mhz card, and CPUs cost is about £30+. Potentially there could be 40Mhz version of a card where you could easily use plastic 33Mhz 030s for £6. This combined with more risky Chinese sources of cplds and RAMs could lead to sub 300PLN card. This path is unfortunately closed now.

We did see it with Edu 8MB version of TF328 for A1200 - which disappeared from guthub for similar reason.

And of course value version of Tf330.


Arek

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:33 pm
by kludge
arkadiusz.makarenko wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:30 pm
For example
TF536 is 50Mhz card, and CPUs cost is about £30+. Potentially there could be 40Mhz version of a card where you could easily use plastic 33Mhz 030s for £6.
Yeah. A 33-40 MHz version of 536 and 330 would have been awesome :)

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:09 pm
by kamil.szarmach
alenppc wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:20 pm
I am super pleased to hear this and I can assure you I will make the cheapest 060 board the world has ever seen... I will of course ship anywhere and Jens might find himself puzzled as to why there is little demand for a 500 euro 1240.
I'm traveling to Florida often so maybe i'll get 360 and 1260 from you :D

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:51 pm
by alenppc
kamil.szarmach wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:09 pm
alenppc wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:20 pm
I am super pleased to hear this and I can assure you I will make the cheapest 060 board the world has ever seen... I will of course ship anywhere and Jens might find himself puzzled as to why there is little demand for a 500 euro 1240.
I'm traveling to Florida often so maybe i'll get 360 and 1260 from you :D
I would honestly avoid going to Florida any time soon unless you really want to get Covid :)

Re: End of all TF (Amiga) projects

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:41 pm
by tzok
JackTheKnife wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:58 pm
Yeah - is there any fork of it? Got few board from OSVG and never thought that project will disappear from the github :(
Yes, TF328, TF330, TF530, and TF534 repositories have been forked, and forks are still available. Binaries are on the TF's official GitHub.