VAT charges to EU states

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olivier.jan wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:01 pm Ps: for UK shops they recommend that you clearly specify on the invoice that your products are made in UK
The problem here is that the parts which make up the Exxos equipment aren't made in the UK, they're sourced from around the World, and there are feindishly complex rules about how much value has to be added to make something "Made in UK".

From what I've read, pure assembly is not enough. I seem to remember something like 30% of the parts have to have been made in the UK too.

So, in the case of a RAM SIMM for an STE the chips would probably be Malaysia or Singapore, the capacitors maybe Japan and the PCB in China. Only the assembly was done in the UK meaning that it's not covered as being "Made in the UK". If the PCB had been manufactuered in the UK then it could possibly be enough.
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cmorley wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:51 pm The deal is a (mostly) zero tariff deal - that is all. It is not a free trade deal and we left the EU VAT system. For small sellers like us it is no better (or materially different) to no deal TBH.

Buyers from the EU will get charged VAT and fees same as if they'd ordered from the USA say. Crippling for small value small business.
Not what I thought then. Might as well just qualify as "no deal" then really. I can't imagine how many companies trade UK <> EU who will get hit with taxes then..

For me, I spend thousands in import taxes from China , USA etc, so me buying stuff nothings changed. Though people buying from UK (IE my store) will get charged the import charges like I do from USA.

I guess the EU trade will fall off from my store, though if people really want the stuff, they will either have to pay it, do without, or look for alternatives. Losing all EU customers would be a huge blow, but I don't think it would be enough to shut me down. UK and USA are my largest markets.
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exxos wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:51 pm I guess the EU trade will fall off from my store, though if people really want the stuff, they will either have to pay it, do without, or look for alternatives. Losing all EU customers would be a huge blow, but I don't think it would be enough to shut me down. UK and USA are my largest markets.
Sadly I was ~70% EU customers. I halted all sales mid December (pre "deal"). The knock on is that UK + USA volumes are too low for me to be viable so likely I will stop developing & selling Amiga completely.

For bigger companies it is easy... open an EU office and trade through that (current advice from the UK government).
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cmorley wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:51 am]
Sadly I was ~70% EU customers. I halted all sales mid December (pre "deal"). The knock on is that UK + USA volumes are too low for me to be viable so likely I will stop developing & selling Amiga completely.

For bigger companies it is easy... open an EU office and trade through that (current advice from the UK government).
Ah sux :( wish I could help but I'm in the UK anyway.

People buying from my store would really have to buy £100+ with of stuff. As 20% tax is £20, plus for arguments sake £10 admin fees, makes £100 package subject to 30% costs.

I know people buy my stuff and sell on eBay in France etc, but they add a lot on top already, it would still be cheaper for them to pay taxes from my store than buy on eBay, but a lot of people never look outside of eBay. But so it seems, eBay are now charging 20% , so maybe it will motivate some people to look elsewhere..

Even "group buy" by say 2 france customers could share the costs, but then they would have to post to the other buyer in France so I don't think it would be much cheaper anyway.. Plus if that package gets damaged, I will likely get the blame even though I didn't ship the second package :roll:

There could be a reseller in France for my stuff, but this has been a problem since day 1, nobody wants to bulk buy items and take the risk of stuff selling. I don't have much stock overall, but its value is over £35,000! I don't make much profit on items and its all money I am out of pocket by. So a reseller would have to charge some profit on top like 50% or more, but it would be pointless as it would be cheaper for people to just buy from my store and just pay the taxes.

So a EU distributor just would not work. It would still be cheaper for people to buy from my store. If people want stuff they will just have to pay tax like I do. I spend thousands on import taxes each year :roll:
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My economics are different... most orders are £20-30 (goods) so €10-15 import charge is a killer. Plus there are plenty of other people doing Amiga hardware... not so much the Acorn stuff but that isn't very popular in Europe except for The Netherlands it seems - hello all my Dutch friends! :)
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cmorley wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:55 am My economics are different... most orders are £20-30 (goods) so €10-15 import charge is a killer. Plus there are plenty of other people doing Amiga hardware... not so much the Acorn stuff but that isn't very popular in Europe except for The Netherlands it seems - hello all my Dutch friends! :)
A lot of my orders are low value as well. Though in a way, as I don't make much on stuff anyway, losing a lot of the low value orders probably wouldn't have much impact.. Ironically, it would save a lot of work which I don't get paid for anyway.

For example, I could do 100 orders with only making £1 profit. Not really worth bothering. Its why a lot of companies have minimum order values. For me thats 100 less boxes to buy, 100 less to pack, less bubblewrap to buy and store etc..
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Even though I despise the BBC...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277


Going to be rather a lot of angry companies all around the place form now on.
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Just got a email from a France customer, basically stating no import vat on s £10 value package, so currently it seems that rule is in play still which is great news for EU buyers!

Still can't figure out that UK made thing, doesn't really say much other than "goods produced in the UK" . but I've seen that on UK made goods for years.... Well says produced in the UK, assembled in China...
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The country of origin stuff looks to be a minefield and differs for each type of product.
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It says this on aliexpress now..

From 11PM 31 December 2020, AliExpress is required by law to collect UK Value-Added Tax (VAT) at the applicable rate and remit to the UK tax authority when goods are sold to UK customers (i) where the goods are located outside the UK at the point of sale with a consignment value of GBP135 or less, or (ii) where the goods are in the UK at the point of sale, but sold by an overseas seller. For more information, please visit: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-ove ... nuary-2021
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But this is actually a good thing in this case, as I won't get hit with £8 RoyalFail charge as well.
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