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I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by zack4mac » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:23 am

I will always love my Atari ST but I have taken the plunge and decided to join the spectrum community to gain some understanding of the machine and try some basic programming.

I initially tried looking towards the C64 and was shocked when I visited Lemmon64 by all the infighting and negative vibes towards not just other machines :shock: but anyone who does not own a Quickshot II Turbo! this is something I can remember being part of in the playground and although I will still joke around a little,
I know the ATARI ST is the best 68000 apple mac there ever was :yay:

On one occasion there were threats being made and a second occasion somebody compared the CPC which I thought was just a machine to being a "Nazi". I own a few of these machines and although at times I found it limiting by design :mad: , I have never felt frighted or oppressed by the machine :hide: , its just a box of switches! :cussing: very sad and just ruins it for everyone.

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I do not intend to disrespect anyone person or "Great one" who is a member of Lemon if I did I'm sorry, we all know the Commodore is superior to the CRAY supper computer, I dont know what I'm talking about i'm crazy :stars: please dont come and get me I have a family and a cat dear Sir/Madam/God father.

No really no offence intended :thumbup:
Atari 2600, XEGS, STF/FM/E MSTE/TT CBM 16/64 VC20 PET A500, 600, 1200, BBC B, ZX81, ZX +3 Harlequin ZXuno plus too much junk to fit in one skip! :roll: my username should be Mr Hoarder.

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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by exxos » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:45 am

Pretty much everyone here joined this forum due to "abuse" on other forums. It only gets worse as the years go on. I have been on lots of groups over the years and slowly left one by one until I only really come here now. Like others here, everyone just wants to enjoy their hobby and share with others without all the BS like on pretty much every other forum .

I think such people are just lazy and have nothing better to do but argue about things which nobody cares about. Its probably makes them feel important or something. But in case of this forum, if anyone started a Atari vs Amiga thread they would likely get banned. Nobody here cares about it. There's 30 years of threads on it all already.

Lots of people here own Amiga and Atari and other machines. The "machine wars" ended 30 years ago. In my view there is only the retro community now. Everyone has their preferred machine and people here respect that, they don't argue for weeks over it. If anyone did, they would get banned.

This forum really is the "last stand" for the communities to survive in a friendly atmosphere in my view. We may not be 100% perfect, but we don't claim to be either. People just want to enjoy their retro machines without all the abuse and negativity , and we aim to provide such a home for people.
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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by DrF » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:05 am

I'll go with what Exxos said close enough anyhow :lol:

It's not just computer forums, cars, art, sewing, dress making its all the same. I'm sure people become asses with a internet connection for some reason I am yet to uncover. I have seen people getting really personal over sewing machine brands :lol:

Spend 10 mins reading YouTube comments they always trail off into some argument that's got nothing to do with the video :lol:
Oddly the comments on PornHub seem way more chilled out... I been told :lol:

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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by rubber_jonnie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:07 am

From what I've seen on Facebook of late, there is a lot of abuse going on there too. I've often tried to help folks, it's in my nature to do so, but then come the trolls who think they now better. I don't know what other social media platforms are like, as I don't use them, but I can't see there being much difference.

Much nicer here, everybody bundles in together to enjoy the retro community. :)
Collector of old Atari things:
800XL + Ape Warp mod, 2x 1010 cassette, 1050 + Happy mod, 65XE (128k) & XC12, SIO2SD, 2600jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Atari 520ST (1Meg) + Gotek, 1040STFM + Vortex ATOnce + Gotek, 1040STF long button floppy, 4160 STE with Gotek and ROM switcher, 4160STE with 32Mhz booster, ROM switcher and CosmosEx, not to mention various bare ST boards for testing including a PAK 68/2 :)
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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by exxos » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:44 am

rubber_jonnie wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:07 am
From what I've seen on Facebook of late, there is a lot of abuse going on there too. I've often tried to help folks, it's in my nature to do so, but then come the trolls who think they now better. I don't know what other social media platforms are like, as I don't use them, but I can't see there being much difference.
Yeah, I pretty much have had enough of Facebook totally now. It wasn't too bad a couple years ago but now it's just unbelievable.I'm in two minds if to just delete my account and not bother with it anymore.

I kept getting people who constantly ask questions about things, and never buy anything, so what's the point. Then people asking questions on things which I have already mentioned in the post. My all-time favourite, where I will post a link with more information, and the first thing they do is comment and ask if there is any more information on the item.. I mean seriously, these people only look at the pictures obviously. I just think these days if they cannot be bothered to read three lines, then I cannot be bothered to answer their questions..And I'm not going to repeat information which is already posted on the forum either. If they really want to know things, they come here and read it. I'm not going to copy and paste things because they cannot be bothered to click a link.

I have been on many groups and forums over the years, not just computer ones. They all seem to go the same way with the "rise of the idiots" where grasping simple concepts grounded in reality are unheard of. People just argue their viewpoint about anything and when you try and tell them otherwise, you can kiss your day goodbye with arguments. There is just no point even trying to bother. If people want to believe the earth is flat and birds fly upside down, I just let them get on with it. When there are many people like this, I am the only person telling them any different, I am the one who gets abuse for it all. Just leaving is the only solution. I just do not have the time or patience for it any more. As the saying goes, people are either part of the solution, or the problem.

The first place I quit was the newsgroups on USENET. I mean we are going back probably 25 years now. I posted my floppy upgrade kit in the group where I got abuse for it,as apparently several engineers have been trying, for I think two years, to come up with a automatic solution and they could not do it. So when I said I have done this automatic kit, they branded me as a liar and I got abuse for it.. Madness!

This type of thing still goes on today, I say I have done something, or found a problem, and people just generally do not agree, or think I am making it up, or will argue the next six months against what I am saying. What's the point ? Just take my posts about recapping power supplies. Years ago nobody accepted this. Even when I posted on my website or the information and research, people were still against it. I have had hundreds of machines here over the years, and I can say beyond any doubt, that pretty much every power supply had failed. And of course I make the whole thing up, just to make £1-£2 profit on re-cap kits ? What about the cost of buying all those 100's of machines over the years.. ?

There was some people on Facebook who took my PicoPSU page has being totally negative and just grounds selling my own power supplies instead. I tried very hard to write a unbiased view of all the power supplies. The fact is, why would I bother to go to such lengths in the first place ? People go down the Pico route because they are fitting CT60 and basically have no choice. I do not sell anything like that sort of power supply for starters! But this is the same thing over and over, I present the information as I find it, people either accepted or they don't, I do not care any more..People who think I make this up to make sales, that in itself is stupid, it would be far more profitable for me not to run my web store!

I said it many times before, my website is called "the last upgrade" as my site went online when I quit the community years ago and went on to other things.. So those upgrades I did were "the last ones". I uploaded sections 1-5 in case it helped other people in the future and that marked the end of my work on Atari's altogether. I pretty much sold all my stuff back then as well. I just taken so much crap from people over the years it's unbelievable. So I created this forum to get away from it all. If people want to help and follow my work, and by all means they sign up here and do exactly that. Those who just want to argue against my work can do it elsewhere.

Anyway, exxos going off on a rant again...
rubber_jonnie wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:07 am
Much nicer here, everybody bundles in together to enjoy the retro community. :)
Exactly . I think I speak for a lot of people here when they can totally relate to what I posted above. A friendly community which is how things are supposed to be..
4MB STFM 1.44 FD- VELOCE+ 020 STE - 4MB STE 32MHz - STFM 16MHz - STM - MEGA ST - Falcon 030 CT60 - Atari 2600 - Atari 7800 - Gigafile - SD Floppy Emulator - PeST - HxC - CosmosEx - Ultrasatan - various clutter

https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/atari/ All my hardware guides - mods - games - STOS
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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by zack4mac » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:22 pm

I totally agree with Exxos and I like the sowing machines. I'm sure I can remember something on the Atari forum where they had a problem, I'm not sure what it was and Exxos said just do this and two reactions followed the first just carry on trying to solve the problem already solved or second, total anguish. It is if some people enjoy the problem more than the solution. I am not a forum etiquette expert so I hope when I mentioned joining the Spectrum forum, it did not look like a dig towards this forum :thumbup: I was just excited to be getting a spectrum running after seeing the spectrum show, I have had a couple sitting around and never gave them a chance.

The sowing machine is very good! :lol:
Atari 2600, XEGS, STF/FM/E MSTE/TT CBM 16/64 VC20 PET A500, 600, 1200, BBC B, ZX81, ZX +3 Harlequin ZXuno plus too much junk to fit in one skip! :roll: my username should be Mr Hoarder.

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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by rubber_jonnie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 pm

exxos wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:44 am

I kept getting people who constantly ask questions about things, and never buy anything, so what's the point. Then people asking questions on things which I have already mentioned in the post. My all-time favourite, where I will post a link with more information, and the first thing they do is comment and ask if there is any more information on the item.. I mean seriously, these people only look at the pictures obviously. I just think these days if they cannot be bothered to read three lines, then I cannot be bothered to answer their questions..And I'm not going to repeat information which is already posted on the forum either. If they really want to know things, they come here and read it. I'm not going to copy and paste things because they cannot be bothered to click a link.
This is one of my all time bugbears.

I wrote a Gotek how to on the forum, and linked it to a few people on FB who were asking questions about how to get started. A lot of folks were grateful, but then I started to get others bemoaning the fact that I was showing the more difficult way to reflash a Gotek.

If they'd actually bothered to read more than the first post in the article, they'd have realised that the next part showed the easy way to flash a Gotek, and that I'd done both so they could decide based on what equipment/tools they had available, not to mention, I did it in that order myself!

In the end I had to put an index so people arriving there could go straight to whatever bit they wanted to. Even then I expect people see something hard and give up. It won't stop me wanting to write stuff though, and help out, because it's the way I'm wired. I am also pretty patient :)

The trouble is that people want to be spoon fed and told what to do, and don't seem to have the wherewithal to look things up for themselves. And like you say, if they perceive it as wrong, no amount of arguing will convince them that white is white and black is black.
Collector of old Atari things:
800XL + Ape Warp mod, 2x 1010 cassette, 1050 + Happy mod, 65XE (128k) & XC12, SIO2SD, 2600jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Atari 520ST (1Meg) + Gotek, 1040STFM + Vortex ATOnce + Gotek, 1040STF long button floppy, 4160 STE with Gotek and ROM switcher, 4160STE with 32Mhz booster, ROM switcher and CosmosEx, not to mention various bare ST boards for testing including a PAK 68/2 :)
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Amiga stuff, Mac stuff, Sinclair stuff etc...
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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by exxos » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:35 pm

zack4mac wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:22 pm
I am not a forum etiquette expert so I hope when I mentioned joining the Spectrum forum, it did not look like a dig towards this forum :thumbup: I was just excited to be getting a spectrum running after seeing the spectrum show, I have had a couple sitting around and never gave them a chance.
No problem at all :) We don't cover spectrum here.. maybe one day when that community implodes ;)
4MB STFM 1.44 FD- VELOCE+ 020 STE - 4MB STE 32MHz - STFM 16MHz - STM - MEGA ST - Falcon 030 CT60 - Atari 2600 - Atari 7800 - Gigafile - SD Floppy Emulator - PeST - HxC - CosmosEx - Ultrasatan - various clutter

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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by zack4mac » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:50 pm

I joined Facebook when it started played a few games cheated using the cheat factory and got board, I used to chat with some great people from abroad but now I sign on once or twice a year. I'm not into modern tech and I cant use a smart phone. I have just bought a Nokia phone that isa phone andI dont need to charge daily it lasts for a month and its Groovy :yay:
Atari 2600, XEGS, STF/FM/E MSTE/TT CBM 16/64 VC20 PET A500, 600, 1200, BBC B, ZX81, ZX +3 Harlequin ZXuno plus too much junk to fit in one skip! :roll: my username should be Mr Hoarder.

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Re: I have just joined the Spectrum computing forum

Post by JezC » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:53 pm

Got to say that I followed your guide for both approaches as I had the USB to serial lead handy & the USB A to A lead was in transit...both were really useful & easy to follow.

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