My summer project: A colour Stacy

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by Atarian Computing » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:08 pm

thorsten.otto wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:58 am
The original TOS for Stacy is a bit different, so maybe this only works because you replaced it ;)
STacy TOS is byte-to-byte identical to "regular" TOS 1.04.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by derkom » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:16 pm

Atarian Computing wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:54 am
As for my projects, obviously you have a Cloudy so my project that was on hold is now obsolete :)
The Cloudy is a really nice upgrade. But of course as you well know, the space available above the 68000 in a stock Stacy with a stock internal PSU is basically nil after you socket the 68k. Early on in this Stacy project (before deciding to chuck the factory display), I designed a CPU relocator PCB for the Stacy that plugs into the 68k socket and provides a 68k socket over where the SCSI controller used to live. It actually worked fine with just the 68k plugged in, but I was never able to get it run stable with the Thunder and Cloudy boards installed, in part or perhaps entirely because that internal PSU generates a lot of EMI and my relocator board was necessarily running the entire CPU bus across the computer, right below the PSU. Fortunately, that whole operation became moot once I decided to replace the screen.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by czietz » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:45 pm

Atarian Computing wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:08 pm
thorsten.otto wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:58 am
The original TOS for Stacy is a bit different, so maybe this only works because you replaced it ;)
STacy TOS is byte-to-byte identical to "regular" TOS 1.04.
I suppose Thorsten confused the STacy with the ST Book. (The latter uses a modified TOS 2.0x.)
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:16 pm
The Cloudy is a really nice upgrade.
Just out of curiosity: Could you post a photo of the Cloudy fitted in the STacy? And, if you upgrade with Lightning ST (for IDE/USB) and Storm ST (for Alt-RAM), as you mentioned, I'd also love to see photos of that.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by derkom » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:50 pm

czietz wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:45 pm
Just out of curiosity: Could you post a photo of the Cloudy fitted in the STacy? And, if you upgrade with Lightning ST (for IDE/USB) and Storm ST (for Alt-RAM), as you mentioned, I'd also love to see photos of that.
I sure will once it's back in there. Right now it's all pulled back out while I work on the video stuff.

I don't actually have the Storm in my possession yet. It arrived at the post office a couple of days ago, but since I try to combine errands these days, I only tend to get out that direction about once a week.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by agranlund » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:52 pm

This is amazingly cool!

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by derkom » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:13 pm

Got the internal video connection built, and it actually works. 8-)

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@Atarian Computing, in case you want to build own VGA tap, here's the places I tapped:

R - R54 toward rear (these resistors are right by the monitor port)
G - R56 toward rear
B - R59 toward rear
Mono - R62 toward rear
H - D15 toward rear (these diodes are by the ACSI port)
V - D5 toward front
GND - D15 toward front and R55 toward rear (my cable is shielded, and I grounded both ends of the Y split, also grounded the other end on the disk cage leg)
MONO ON - 68901 pin 29
+12V - R58 toward rear

Of course if you're shooting for mono only, this job is somewhat easier. :mrgreen:

Note that the Stacy monitor port has a physical switch in it that forces MONO ON to GND if there is no monitor plugged in. For the moment I've just stuck in the DIN13 plug I removed from the VGA converter. I haven't decided yet how to deal with this long term, but plugging in 13 little antennas is likely not the best solution. ;) I'll probably either build a DIN13 plug with only the shield (this is what pushes the switch) or 3D print a little wedge device to mount internally and hold the switch.

Also, at least on my Stacy (and I presume all of them), the 12V wire on the floppy drive connectors is not hooked up to anything, so if using the trick of feeding power for the Stacy into the floppy connector, a separate connection into the +12V net is required for the VGA converter to function.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by Atarian Computing » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:51 pm

derkom wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:13 pm
Got the internal video connection built, and it actually works. 8-)


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@Atarian Computing, in case you want to build own VGA tap, here's the places I tapped:

R - R54 toward rear (these resistors are right by the monitor port)
G - R56 toward rear
B - R59 toward rear
Mono - R62 toward rear
H - D15 toward rear (these diodes are by the ACSI port)
V - D5 toward front
GND - D15 toward front and R55 toward rear (my cable is shielded, and I grounded both ends of the Y split, also grounded the other end on the disk cage leg)
MONO ON - 68901 pin 29
+12V - R58 toward rear

Of course if you're shooting for mono only, this job is somewhat easier. :mrgreen:

Note that the Stacy monitor port has a physical switch in it that forces MONO ON to GND if there is no monitor plugged in. For the moment I've just stuck in the DIN13 plug I removed from the VGA converter. I haven't decided yet how to deal with this long term, but plugging in 13 little antennas is likely not the best solution. ;) I'll probably either build a DIN13 plug with only the shield (this is what pushes the switch) or 3D print a little wedge device to mount internally and hold the switch.

Also, at least on my Stacy (and I presume all of them), the 12V wire on the floppy drive connectors is not hooked up to anything, so if using the trick of feeding power for the Stacy into the floppy connector, a separate connection into the +12V net is required for the VGA converter to function.
:dualthumbup: My man. Thank you. I was just pulling the schematics :)

I actually pulled out the clear plastic case from the monitor plug, wondering what the contraption was. I didn't know about the switch. Good to know. I'll have to look at it again.

I feed the voltages to the right DC-DC connector to get the -12v as well.

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by derkom » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:00 pm

Atarian Computing wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:51 pm
I actually pulled out the clear plastic case from the monitor plug, wondering what the contraption was. I didn't know about the switch. Good to know. I'll have to look at it again.
As long as your (current) goal is only mono, you don't need to worry about it, since you'll want the mono detect grounded all the time anyway. But if you do later go for colour, you'll need to deal with it.
I feed the voltages to the right DC-DC connector to get the -12v as well.
That was my initial plan, but then I decided to use the floppy connector simply because it was closer to where I'm mounting the picoPSU. I didn't discover the lack of 12V until after I'd already hooked that all up, and just decided to tap the high side of R58 right next to the shifter. If I had it all to do over, I would feed into the power connector like you did. Live and learn. :)

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by derkom » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:20 pm

Atarian Computing wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:51 pm
I feed the voltages to the right DC-DC connector to get the -12v as well.
Today I realised that that the Lightning IDE/USB interface won't fit directly onto the CPU bus unless it is very nearly the bottom of the stack. Otherwise it runs into the keyboard. I'd forgotten that my CPU relocator folly not only moved the socket over to the right hand side, but also toward the back a bit, allowing the Lightning to fit into the space between the disk cage and the keyboard. But the problem with making the Lightning the bottom of the stack is that it runs into the old PSU header. So, thinking about what @Atarian Computing said about -12V (I'd forgotten that's necessary for serial!), I decided to use the old PSU header for power, and pull off the old header and install some 90° headers...

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And since that made enough space to play with, here's a couple of photos for @czietz...

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Cloudy has to go in first, or the Lightning crashes into the glue. The grey wire there is the ROM2 tap, which I suppose I won't need after all, since the Storm should remove that need.

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And there is the Lightning on top of the Cloudy. Unfortunately, the IDE port is a tiny bit too high for the keyboard to go back in. According to the measurements I've written down, it's 1 mm too tall. :) I'll remeasure, and if it's really that close, I'll probably just remove the shroud. But if it still too tall, I'll have to wire up the port off the board.

I picked up the Storm at the post office today, but haven't had a chance to unpack it yet, so photos of that will come later.

Edit: Yeah, I'm going to have to move that IDE port. My measurement of the keyboard clearance was a little bit wrong, and not in the direction that helps me. :lol:

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Re: My summer project: A colour Stacy

Post by czietz » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:48 pm

derkom wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:20 pm
And since that made enough space to play with, here's a couple of photos for @czietz...
Thank you. Looks great!

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